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					                		Insitu testing of drossbach tubes - Professional Issues                                    </title>
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                        <title>RE: Insitu testing of drossbach tubes</title>
                        <link>https://www.sesoc.org.nz/forum/professional-issues/insitu-testing-of-drossbach-tubes#post-104</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2021 03:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[We have also discussed this in our office and with reputable concrete specialists.
We are trialling a new QA procedure on our next project by measuring the volume of grout.We know the dross...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have also discussed this in our office and with reputable concrete specialists.</p>
<p>We are trialling a new QA procedure on our next project by measuring the volume of grout.<br />We know the drossbach void volume minus reinforcing bar volume and just need to match it approximately to the grout used.</p>
<p>This should give a good us a good indication of whether or not we are close to achieving filled drossbachs.</p>
<p>Typically poor contractors will just shutter the bottom of the panels and fill with grout which is a horrible way of doing it as you don't know how much grout is lost to filling gaps under the panels.</p>
<p>Will see how it goes :)</p>
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                        <category domain="https://www.sesoc.org.nz/forum/professional-issues">Professional Issues</category>                        <dc:creator>Jamie Nguyen</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Insitu testing of drossbach tubes</title>
                        <link>https://www.sesoc.org.nz/forum/professional-issues/insitu-testing-of-drossbach-tubes#post-103</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2021 02:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[If the question relates to assessment of existing structures, there is some guidance in the Yellow Chapter version of C5:
Care is required during grouting of drossbach ducts and grout sleev...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the question relates to assessment of existing structures, there is some guidance in the Yellow Chapter version of C5:</p>
<p><em>Care is required during grouting of drossbach ducts and grout sleeves to ensure that </em><em>the connections are sufficiently filled. If such connections are employed in critical </em><em>connections of a structure being assessed, it is recommended that appropriate </em><em>investigations are undertaken to ensure the connections are adequately filled. This can be </em><em>achieved by drilling a pilot hole near the top of the duct to check for voids or using recently</em><br /><em>available radar/ultrasound techniques. Assessment of the capacity of inadequately filled </em><em>drossbach connections requires significant judgement, but may be based on Equation C5.6 </em><em>provided the total length of competent grout exceeds 100 mm and 10 times the anchored </em><em>bar diameter, i.e. 10𝑑b (fib 2012a). Premature bar buckling is likely to occur if a </em><em>significant continuous length of duct is left unfilled (greater than 4𝑑b), and bars in such </em><em>unfilled ducts should be treated as ineffective in resisting seismic demands.</em></p>
<p>This obviously leaves some answers a little vague - unfortunately there is little information at the moment to fill the gaps.</p>
<p>There is currently a substantial piece of work being undertaken by a joint SESOC/Concrete New Zealand Learned Society working group that is aiming to develop guidance on both specification, installation, and later assessment of drossbach connections. Keep an eye out for updates!</p>]]></content:encoded>
                        <category domain="https://www.sesoc.org.nz/forum/professional-issues">Professional Issues</category>                        <dc:creator>Nic Brooke</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Insitu testing of drossbach tubes</title>
                        <link>https://www.sesoc.org.nz/forum/professional-issues/insitu-testing-of-drossbach-tubes#post-102</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2021 04:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hi Pat,
This is a really valid line of query. It would be good to read a &quot;best practice&quot; article about use of drossbachs. Not only filling and QA of, but also confinement and non-contact sp...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pat,</p>
<p>This is a really valid line of query. It would be good to read a "best practice" article about use of drossbachs. Not only filling and QA of, but also confinement and non-contact splice issues.</p>
<p>Personally, I make sure: starterbar and duct length is conservative<br />                                    contractor understands that he must, and has the equipment available to, fill from the bottom up<br />                                    top of drossbach has a clear "stand tube" that gives a visual confirmation that ducts are 100% full<br /><br />I've never used CSI, nor do I know exactly what they can offer.</p>
<p>Hopefully someone more expert can chime in? (Jason Ingham?)                                </p>]]></content:encoded>
                        <category domain="https://www.sesoc.org.nz/forum/professional-issues">Professional Issues</category>                        <dc:creator>Andy Reid</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Insitu testing of drossbach tubes</title>
                        <link>https://www.sesoc.org.nz/forum/professional-issues/insitu-testing-of-drossbach-tubes#post-101</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2021 17:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[We were recently asked by a peer reviewer to considering insitu testing of drossbach tubes. I understand CSI do the testing however it is costly.
Are other engineers asking for drossbach tu...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were recently asked by a peer reviewer to considering insitu testing of drossbach tubes. I understand CSI do the testing however it is costly.</p>
<p>Are other engineers asking for drossbach tubes to be tested on site and if so, what quantities?</p>
<p>Does SESOC consider it necessary?</p>
<p>Are there any other methods to test without using SCI scanning?</p>]]></content:encoded>
                        <category domain="https://www.sesoc.org.nz/forum/professional-issues">Professional Issues</category>                        <dc:creator>Pat Mohan</dc:creator>
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